No amount of SHS is safe. THEY have said this a million times. THEY can't take it back. THEY have to live with it.

I believe it was James Repace who checked RSP levels before and after the ban in Delaware and said there was a decrease of 84 percent.

So, when Russell Sciandra, director of the Center for a Tobacco Free New York, says, "there’s been an average 84-percent decrease in indoor pollutants at bars and restaurants since the ban went into effect," why are employees now considered to be working in a safe environment? NO AMOUNT IS SAFE! RIGHT?

Well, Squeezer, I guess "84%" is the new talking point, the new stat o' the week.

Like 30,000 heart attacks. Or 3,000 kids a day.

Isn't it less than half a year before the NYC smoking ban went into effect. That would also mean that stats, according to Bloomberg, will show 1,000 less deaths than the year before.

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Isn't it less than half a year before the NYC smoking ban went into effect. That would also mean that stats, according to Bloomberg, will show 1,000 less deaths than the year before.

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Yep. Can't wait for list to see if I know any of them.

if the same precautionary principle used by antis was used for everything else then we couldnt eat, drink, or breathe anything or we would die.

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if the same precautionary principle used by antis was used for everything else then we couldnt eat, drink, or breathe anything or we would die.

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Their answer to that is you have to eat, drink, and breathe to survive. You don't need to smoke.

Personally, I like doing all four. And then some. LOL

So many lives will be "saved."

"Who exactly are these 1,000 New Yorkers whose deaths Mayor Bloomberg claims will be prevented by his legislation?

If, as we suspect, he is referring to deaths caused by exposure to secondhand smoke in restaurants and bars, the estimate of 1,000 deaths prevented is patently absurd. Our best estimate of the number of deaths prevented is somewhere between zero and a hypothetical ten to fifteen. There is no evidence that any New Yorker — patron or employee — has ever died as a result of exposure to smoke in a bar or restaurant."



http://healthfactsandfears.com/high_priorities/smoked/2002/bloomberg121202.html

I'm still waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the information about where and when Repace did any testing in Delaware.

The outside air quality in Delaware, particularly in the northern part of the state, is so bad that Repace should be checking outside, not inside air. I won't even discuss what it is like near one of the poultry rendering plants in the southern part of the state.

Because of the increase in utility costs, many places that installed filtration systems have turned those systems off now that smoking is no longer permitted. With fewer customers, they can not justify the expense, nor can they pay it. Not only are these places now very stuffy, they are extremely unhealthy because of a lack of air circulation.

Last winter the number of my friends in the hospitality business getting sick skyrocketed from the previous winter. So much for protecting the health of the workers.

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