This is a group exercise. Participation's not required, but if you have a number please add it.

The goal is to find more deaths per year (in the US) than are actually claimed by government sources. I forget who publishes annual deaths (broken down into categories), but I know the last time I saw the number it was ~ 2.4 million. So the object is to come up with a higher number than 2.4 million (or whatever it currently is-must look it up).

For example, one number we're all familiar with is 400-440,000 deaths from tobacco annually. 440k usually is with SHS deaths included. So what you would do is find someone reporting that number, quote the appropriate paragraph(s) and post the link if available. Or if it's stored on your computer, quote the pertinent part and any interesting parts and where it came from.

Not all numbers will likely be of use for the final tally like the following example:

"An estimated 1.3 million Americans die of cancer, heart disease, and other heavily meat-related causes each year."
--Dr. Neal D. Barnard, in a September press release from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, urging a federal lawsuit against "Big Meat"

The problem here is that PCRM doesn't say meat is solely responsible, they just say heavily meat-related. That's more of a fun "fact", but if you know a number like this you can post it anyway.

There's no time limit on this. If a year from now you run across a claim that something is killing people, track down this thread and post it.

I'll start with (excess) salt:

Health Group Urges Less Salt in Food
The Associated Press, Wed 13 Nov 2002

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The nation's largest public health group is recommending a 50 percent decrease in salt in processed food and restaurant meals over the next 10 years.

The American Public Health Association said the reduction could save 150,000 lives a year from strokes, heart attacks and other illnesses linked to high blood pressure.

A resolution passed Tuesday at the health association's annual meeting in Philadelphia...

``Americans are consuming an ever-increasing amount of processed foods high in sodium at home, at work, at school and in restaurants,'' said Dr. Stephen Havas, the lead author of the new policy. ``The excess sodium in these foods is unnecessary and leads to a large, preventable toll of hypertension, premature death and disability.''

``Appealing to individuals as well as to industry to take simple but effective steps to limit sodium in our diets will yield measurable results in lowering Americans' risk for cardiovascular diseases and related conditions,'' said Dr. Claude Lenfant, director of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.
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If you can find an even larger number post it.

As an aside, How many epidemiology studies ask about sodium intake? Smokers are said to lose some sense of taste and smell. You could surmise that smokers probably use more salt than nonsmokers. If true, some tobacco-related deaths are actually salt-related deaths. LOL

And when you finish and you have found out that there are more deaths each year atributed to things than the population of the USA it won't make any difference to the fact, if you smoke you are more likely to die a long painful early death and be in poorer health for more years before you die if you smoke cigarettes than if you don't. If you quit smoking you are on the road to reducing the amount of harm tobacco does to you.

Also if you are a smoker it is more likely your children will be smokers than if you were not. There fore indirectly you are increasing the chances of your chidren also having a long slow painful early death.

Tobacco is addictive, you all say you want less outside interference in your lives but none of you seem to be able to see that tobacco controls you each hour of your waking life.

Smoking is a persuit of the lower classes, you are more likely to smoke the lower your income or social status. Smoking makes you look poorer to people around you. Why not just put your spring water bottle in a brown paper bag, that would make you look poorer.

I could go on but already I hear you spouting the old faithful "the anti is parroting anti propaganda again."

And squeezer, you have that association back to front, because smokers lose some taste sensation they are likely to use more salt. Fast food outlets and other places food is prepared cater for a cross section of the community and therefore are likely to add more salt to allow smokers to taste the food. The higher amount of salt in the food is because there are smokers in the community. Following this association we can say some of the deaths and health problems atributed to salt are also associated with tobacco even in non-smokers.

quote:

Originally posted by squeezer:
This is a group exercise. Participation's not required, but if you have a number please add it.

The goal is to find more deaths per year (in the US) than are actually claimed by government sources. I forget who publishes annual deaths (broken down into categories), but I know the last time I saw the number it was ~ 2.4 million.

I think you can use this as a reference point. Funny, smoking is not mentioned. But,they do use death certificates after all!

quote:

Originally posted by gkayser30:

quote:

Originally posted by squeezer:
This is a group exercise. Participation's not required, but if you have a number please add it.

The goal is to find more deaths per year (in the US) than are actually claimed by government sources. I forget who publishes annual deaths (broken down into categories), but I know the last time I saw the number it was ~ 2.4 million.

I think you can use this as a reference point. Funny, smoking is not mentioned. But,they do use death certificates after all!

OOPS!!!!
Leading causes of death and numbers of deaths, according to age: United States,
1980 and 2001
[Data are based on death certificates]

SOURCES: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics System; Vital statistics of the United States, vol II,
mortality, part A, 1980. Washington: Public Health Service. 1985; Anderson RN, Smith BL. Deaths: Leading causes for 2001. National vital statistics reports. vol 52
no 9. Hyattsville, Maryland: National Center for Health Statistics. 2003.

http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/topten2001age.pdf

Yes gkayser30, we'll go with NVSR numbers.

The most current I can find is:

Mortality experience in 2003
+ In 2003, a total of 2,448,288 deaths occurred in the United States.
link

Trends in numbers and rates
The preliminary number of deaths in the United States for 2004 was 2,398,343, representing a decrease of 49,945 from the 2003 total.

link

So we'll use 2.4 million.

[QUOTE] if you smoke you are more likely to die a long painful early death and be in poorer health for more years before you die if you smoke cigarettes than if you don't.

What, no links to prove your claim. How stupid.

Smoking is a persuit of the lower classes, you are more likely to smoke the lower your income or social status. Smoking makes you look poorer to people around you. Why not just put your spring water bottle in a brown paper bag, that would make you look poorer.

My my, you are an elitest little pig, aren't you! So politically incorrect.

Fast food outlets and other places food is prepared cater for a cross section of the community and therefore are likely to add more salt to allow smokers to taste the food. The higher amount of salt in the food is because there are smokers in the community. QUOTE]

Riiight; and the Romans paid their soldiers in salt because they all smoked and not for any other reason. And again, no proof to back-up your rantings.

You still have not stated what percentage of cancers are caused by benzene(or anything else) as compared to smoking.

quote:

Originally posted by squeezer:
Yes gkayser30, we'll go with NVSR numbers.

So we'll use 2.4 million.

I like your game!

Healcare deaths= 1,000,000
://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/7/healthcare_death.htm

Smoking 440,000 deaths: CDC,ALA,ACS,and etc.

Not much wiggle room for everything else.
Since you are from Wis;I regret saying this,but I am not sorry.
GO BEARS

Not sure if this is the kind of info to use, but I'll try to play the game. Tell me if this isn't right.

Deaths caused by benzene have been attributed to asphyxiation, respiratory arrest, and CNS (central nervous system) depression. Autopsies have also shown lung hemorrhages, cerebral edema, and congestion.
Cancer cases have been associated with people exposed to benzene for less than five years to more than thirty years. Benzene has been linked to multiple leukemia cases, usually acute myelogenous leukemia (AML), but also chronic myelogenous leukemia (CML), acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL), chronic lymphohcytic leukemia (CLL), and Hairy-Cell Leukemia (HCL). It has also been associated with multiple myeloma, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, myelodyplastic syndrome, myelodysplasia, and secondary aplastic anemia. These diseases are a result of the chronic damage done to the body’s bone marrow.
More than 300,000 people per year are exposed to the chemical through their workplace, and over 10,000 deaths per year are attributed to benzene exposure in the United States alone. People working with petroleum products are exposed to significant amounts of benzene.
The following jobs fall under the high risk category.
· Painters
· Adhesive Production Workers
· Chemical Workers
· Dock Workers
· Paper and Pulp Production Workers
· Pipe Fitters
· Barge Workers
· Offshore Workers
· Refinery Workers
· Gas Station Attendants
· Pesticide Manufacturers
· Industrial Plant Workers (using solvents)
· Rubber Workers
· Shoe/Leather Workers
· Truck Drivers


Benzene Deaths

The number I find to be most useful in putting these other numbers into perspective is:

43,000 Americans each year are killed in car accidents (NTSB)

I'm being a bit lazy. Google the phrase above. It's easily verifiable.

It's interesting to note that not even this number is completely accurate (though I'm sure it's very close), because it often can not be determined whether someone had a stroke or heart attack while driving.

Also, I've read that 10 or so Americans die each year from a vending machine falling on them. If your Butterfinger doesn't drop, sometimes it's just meant to be.

quote:

Originally posted by gkayser30:

Healcare deaths= 1,000,000
://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/7/healthcare_death.htm

Damn! I thought I'd give others a chance and then you go and take mine! LOL

I believe that number originates from here.

Just to expand on it a bit:

Bedsores
Over 1 million people develop bedsores in US hospitals every year...bedsores carry a fourfold increase in the rate of death...a death rate due to bedsores of 115,000.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/aug2006_report_death_06.htm

Malnutrition in Nursing Homes
A report from the Coalition for Nursing Home Reform states...results in 108,800 premature deaths due to malnutrition in nursing homes.

The whole list:

Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000
Medical error 98,000
Bedsores 115,000
Infection 88,000
Malnutrition 108,800
Outpatients 199,000
Unnecessary Procedures 37,136
Surgery-Related 32,000
Total 783,936

"Using Dr. Lucian L. Leape’s 1997 medical and drug error rate...produces an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. Using this number instead...would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually, as shown in Table 2."

New Total 999,936

quote:

Not much wiggle room for everything else.
Since you are from Wis;I regret saying this,but I am not sorry.
GO BEARS

Never say never. I've seen 100,000 deaths alone from SHS. I just can't find it at the moment.

Bears ar OK. LOL

ladyteal, the benzene 10,000 deaths is fine. But now you have to find ALL deaths from workplace exposures.

quote:

Benzene has been linked to multiple leukemia cases, usually acute myelogenous leukemia (AML)

In 1996 my father died of this leukemia, he was a heavy equipment mechanic and work around machinery , solvents, grease, oil, fuels, even in the army, ww2 as a mechanic .. Even tho he a smoker smoking never bothered him... the leukemia didn't kill him it was the common cold that turned into pheumonia....on the death cert cause of death acute myelogenous leukemia (AML)

quote:

myelogenous leukemia

Causes and Risk Factors
In most cases the cause of AML is not known. Several factors have been associated with an increased risk of the disease. These include exposure to

Very high doses of irradiation, as carefully studied in the Japanese survivors of atomic bomb detonations

The chemical benzene, usually in the work place

Chemotherapy used to treat cancers such as breast cancer, ovarian cancer or the lymphomas. The chemothearapy drug classes known as alkylating agents and topoisosomerase inhibitors are most frequently associated with an risk of AML
Therapeutic radiation, depending on the dose and duration of treatment
Tobacco smoke.
http://www.leukemia-lymphoma.org/all_page?item_id=8459

Which type of benzine it it causes cancer or leukemia? Any of these?
Acetanisole,
Acetic Acid,
Acetoin,
Acetophenone,
6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane,
2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine,
2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran,
Acetylpyrazine,
2-Acetylpyridine,
3-Acetylpyridine,
2-Acetylthiazole,
Aconitic Acid,
dl-Alanine,
Alfalfa Extract,
Allspice Extract,
Oleoresin,
And Oil,
Allyl Hexanoate,
Allyl Ionone,
Almond Bitter Oil,
Ambergris Tincture,
Ammonia,
Ammonium Bicarbonate,
Ammonium Hydroxide,
Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic,
Ammonium Sulfide,
Amyl Alcohol,
Amyl Butyrate,
Amyl Formate,
Amyl Octanoate,
alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde,
Amyris Oil,
trans-Anethole,
Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil,
Anise,
Anise Star, Extract and Oils,
Anisyl Acetate,
Anisyl Alcohol,
Anisyl Formate,
Anisyl Phenylacetate,
Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins,
Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate,
1-Arginine,
Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil,
Ascorbic Acid,
1-Asparagine Monohydrate,
1-Aspartic Acid,
Balsam Peru and Oil,
Basil Oil,
Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil,
Beeswax White,
Beet Juice Concentrate,
Benzaldehyde,
Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal,
Benzoic Acid, Benzoin,
Benzoin Resin,
Benzophenone,
Benzyl Alcohol,
Benzyl Benzoate,
Benzyl Butyrate,
Benzyl Cinnamate,
Benzyl Propionate,
Benzyl Salicylate,
Bergamot Oil,
Bisabolene,
Black Currant Buds Absolute,
Borneol,
Bornyl Acetate,
Buchu Leaf Oil,
1,3-Butanediol,
2,3-Butanedione,
1-Butanol,
2-Butanone,
4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil,
Butyl Acetate,
Butyl Butyrate,
Butyl Butyryl Lactate,
Butyl Isovalerate,
Butyl Phenylacetate,
Butyl Undecylenate,
3-Butylidenephthalide,
Butyric Acid,
Cadinene,
Caffeine,
Calcium Carbonate,
Camphene,
Cananga Oil,
Capsicum Oleoresin,
Caramel Color,
Caraway Oil,
Carbon Dioxide,
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder,
Carob Bean and Extract,
beta-Carotene,
Carrot Oil,
Carvacrol,
4-Carvomenthenol,
1-Carvone,
beta-Caryophyllene,
beta-Caryophyllene Oxide,
Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract,
Cassia Bark Oil,
Cassie Absolute and Oil,
Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute,
Cedar Leaf Oil,
Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana,
Cedrol,
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin,
Cellulose Fiber,
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract,
Chicory Extract,
Chocolate,
Cinnamaldehyde,
Cinnamic Acid,
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract,
Cinnamyl Acetate,
Cinnamyl Alcohol,
Cinnamyl Cinnamate,
Cinnamyl Isovalerate,
Cinnamyl Propionate,
Citral,
Citric Acid,
Citronella Oil,
dl-Citronellol,
Citronellyl Butyrate,
Citronellyl Isobutyrate,
Civet Absolute,
Clary Oil,
Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract,
Cocoa,
Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder,
Coconut Oil,
Coffee,
Cognac White and Green Oil,
Copaiba Oil,
Coriander Extract and Oil,
Corn Oil,
Corn Silk,
Costus Root Oil,
Cubeb Oil,
Cuminaldehyde,
para-Cymene,
1-Cysteine,
Dandelion Root Solid Extract,
Davana Oil,
2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal,
delta-Decalactone,
gamma-Decalactone,
Decanal,
Decanoic Acid,
1-Decanol,
2-Decenal,
Dehydromenthofurolactone,
Diethyl Malonate,
Diethyl Sebacate,
2,3-Diethylpyrazine,
Dihydro Anethole,
5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine,
Dill Seed Oil and Extract,
meta-Dimethoxybenzene,
para-Dimethoxybenzene,
2,6-Dimethoxyphenol,
Dimethyl Succinate,
3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene,
4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One,
6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One,
3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid,
2,4-Dimethylacetophenone,
alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate,
alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate,
2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,
2,5-Dimethylpyrazine,
2,6-Dimethylpyrazine,
Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone,
delta-Dodecalactone,
gamma-Dodecalactone,
para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde,
Ethyl 10-Undecenoate,
Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
Ethyl Acetate,
Ethyl Acetoacetate,
Ethyl Alcohol,
Ethyl Benzoate,
Ethyl Butyrate,
Ethyl Cinnamate,
Ethyl Decanoate,
Ethyl Fenchol,
Ethyl Furoate,
Ethyl Heptanoate,
Ethyl Hexanoate,
Ethyl Isovalerate,
Ethyl Lactate,
Ethyl Laurate,
Ethyl Levulinate,
Ethyl Maltol,
Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate,
Ethyl Myristate,
Ethyl Nonanoate,
Ethyl Octadecanoate,
Ethyl Octanoate,
Ethyl Oleate,
Ethyl Palmitate,
Ethyl Phenylacetate,
Ethyl Propionate,
Ethyl Salicylate,
Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate,
Ethyl Valerate,
Ethyl Vanillin,
2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine,
2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One,
2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine,
5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone,
2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine,
4-Ethylbenzaldehyde,
4-Ethylguaiacol,
para-Ethylphenol,
3-Ethylpyridine,
Eucalyptol,
Farnesol,
D-Fenchone,
Fennel Sweet Oil,
Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute,
Fig Juice Concentrate,
Food Starch Modified,
Furfuryl Mercaptan,
4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One,
Galbanum Oil,
Genet Absolute,
Gentian Root Extract,
Geraniol,
Geranium Rose Oil,
Geranyl Acetate,
Geranyl Butyrate,
Geranyl Formate,
Geranyl Isovalerate,
Geranyl Phenylacetate,
Ginger Oil and Oleoresin,
1-Glutamic Acid,
1-Glutamine,
Glycerol,
Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated,
Grape Juice Concentrate,
Guaiac Wood Oil,
Guaiacol,
Guar Gum,
2,4-Heptadienal,
gamma-Heptalactone,
Heptanoic Acid,
2-Heptanone,
3-Hepten-2-One,
2-Hepten-4-One,
4-Heptenal,
trans -2-Heptenal,
Heptyl Acetate,
omega-6-Hexadecenlactone,
gamma-Hexalactone,
Hexanal,
Hexanoic Acid,
2-Hexen-1-Ol,
3-Hexen-1-Ol,
cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate,
2-Hexenal,
3-Hexenoic Acid,
trans-2-Hexenoic Acid,
cis-3-Hexenyl Formate,
Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
Hexyl Acetate,
Hexyl Alcohol,
Hexyl Phenylacetate,
1-Histidine,
Honey,
Hops Oil,
Hydrolyzed Milk Solids,
Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins,
5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone,
4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone,
2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone,
2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde,
4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone,
Hydroxycitronellal,
6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane,
4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
Hyssop Oil,
Immortelle Absolute and Extract,
alpha-Ionone,
beta-Ionone,
alpha-Irone,
Isoamyl Acetate,
Isoamyl Benzoate,
Isoamyl Butyrate,
Isoamyl Cinnamate,
Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate,
Isoamyl Isovalerate,
Isoamyl Octanoate,
Isoamyl Phenylacetate,
Isobornyl Acetate,
Isobutyl Acetate,
Isobutyl Alcohol,
Isobutyl Cinnamate,
Isobutyl Phenylacetate,
Isobutyl Salicylate,
2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine,
alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol,
Isobutyraldehyde,
Isobutyric Acid,
d,l-Isoleucine,
alpha-Isomethylionone,
2-Isopropylphenol,
Isovaleric Acid,
Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil,
Kola Nut Extract,
Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin,
Lactic Acid,
Lauric Acid,
Lauric Aldehyde,
Lavandin Oil,
Lavender Oil,
Lemon Oil and Extract,
Lemongrass Oil,
1-Leucine,
Levulinic Acid,
Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder,
Lime Oil ,
Linalool,
Linalool Oxide,
Linalyl Acetate,
Linden Flowers,
Lovage Oil And Extract,
1-Lysine,
Mace Powder, Extract and Oil ,
Magnesium Carbonate,
Malic Acid,
Malt and Malt Extract,
Maltodextrin,
Maltol,
Maltyl Isobutyrate,
Mandarin Oil,
Maple Syrup and Concentrate,
Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil,
para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One,
Menthol,
Menthone,
Menthyl Acetate,
dl-Methionine,
Methoprene,
2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol,
2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol,
para-Methoxybenzaldehyde,
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One,
4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone,
Methoxypyrazine,
Methyl 2-Furoate,
Methyl 2-Octynoate,
Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone,
Methyl Anisate,
Methyl Anthranilate,
Methyl Benzoate,
Methyl Cinnamate,
Methyl Dihydrojasmonate,
Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated,
Methyl Isovalerate,
Methyl Linoleate (48%),
Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture,
Methyl Naphthyl Ketone,
Methyl Nicotinate,
Methyl Phenylacetate,
Methyl Salicylate,
Methyl Sulfide,
3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone,
4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone,
5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal,
5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde,
6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One,
2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde,
5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One,
1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene,
4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One,
2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde,
6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One,
4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol,
4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole,
Methyl-alpha-Ionone,
Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid,
4-Methylacetophenone,
para-Methylanisole,
alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate,
alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol,
2-Methylbutyraldehyde,
3-Methylbutyraldehyde,
2-Methylbutyric Acid,
alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde,
Methylcyclopentenolone,
2-Methylheptanoic Acid,
2-Methylhexanoic Acid,
3-Methylpentanoic Acid,
4-Methylpentanoic Acid,
2-Methylpyrazine,
5-Methylquinoxaline,
2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One,
(Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers),
3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde,
Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate,
2-Methylvaleric Acid,
Mimosa Absolute and Extract,
Molasses Extract and Tincture,
Mountain Maple Solid Extract,
Mullein Flowers,
Myristaldehyde,
Myristic Acid,
Myrrh Oil,
beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether,
Nerol,
Neroli Bigarde Oil,
Nerolidol,
Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal,
2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol,
gamma-Nonalactone,
Nonanal,
Nonanoic Acid,
Nonanone,
trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol,
2-Nonenal,
Nonyl Acetate,
Nutmeg Powder and Oil,
Oak Chips Extract and Oil,
Oak Moss Absolute,
9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%),
delta-Octalactone,
gamma-Octalactone,
Octanal,
Octanoic Acid,
1-Octanol,
2-Octanone,
3-Octen-2-One,
1-Octen-3-Ol,
1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate,
2-Octenal,
Octyl Isobutyrate,
Oleic Acid ,
Olibanum Oil,
Opoponax Oil And Gum,
Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute,
Orange Oil and Extract,
Origanum Oil,
Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract,
Palmarosa Oil,
Palmitic Acid,
Parsley Seed Oil,
Patchouli Oil,
omega-Pentadecalactone,
2,3-Pentanedione,
2-Pentanone,
4-Pentenoic Acid,
2-Pentylpyridine,
Pepper Oil, Black And White,
Peppermint Oil,
Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil,
Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil,
alpha-Phellandrene,
2-Phenenthyl Acetate,
Phenenthyl Alcohol,
Phenethyl Butyrate,
Phenethyl Cinnamate,
Phenethyl Isobutyrate,
Phenethyl Isovalerate,
Phenethyl Phenylacetate,
Phenethyl Salicylate,
1-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
3-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
2-Phenyl-2-Butenal,
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol,
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One,
Phenylacetaldehyde,
Phenylacetic Acid,
1-Phenylalanine,
3-Phenylpropionaldehyde,
3-Phenylpropionic Acid,
3-Phenylpropyl Acetate,
3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate,
2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran,
Phosphoric Acid,
Pimenta Leaf Oil,
Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch,
Pineapple Juice Concentrate,
alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene,
D-Piperitone,
Piperonal,
Pipsissewa Leaf Extract,
Plum Juice,
Potassium Sorbate,
1-Proline,
Propenylguaethol,
Propionic Acid,
Propyl Acetate,
Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate,
Propylene Glycol,
3-Propylidenephthalide,
Prune Juice and Concentrate,
Pyridine,
Pyroligneous Acid And Extract,

Pyrrole,
Pyruvic Acid,
Raisin Juice Concentrate,
Rhodinol,
Rose Absolute and Oil,
Rosemary Oil,
Rum,
Rum Ether,
Rye Extract,
Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin,
Salicylaldehyde,
Sandalwood Oil, Yellow,
Sclareolide,
Skatole,
Smoke Flavor,
Snakeroot Oil,
Sodium Acetate,
Sodium Benzoate,
Sodium Bicarbonate,
Sodium Carbonate,
Sodium Chloride,
Sodium Citrate,
Sodium Hydroxide,
Solanone,
Spearmint Oil,
Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil,
Sucrose Octaacetate,
Sugar Alcohols,
Sugars,
Tagetes Oil,
Tannic Acid,
Tartaric Acid,
Tea Leaf and Absolute,
alpha-Terpineol,
Terpinolene,
Terpinyl Acetate,
5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline,
1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane,
2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone,
2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine,
Thiamine Hydrochloride,
Thiazole,
1-Threonine,
Thyme Oil, White and Red,
Thymol,
Tobacco Extracts,
Tochopherols (mixed),
Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract,
Tolualdehydes,
para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate,
para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde,
para-Tolyl Acetate,
para-Tolyl Isobutyrate,
para-Tolyl Phenylacetate,
Triacetin,
2-Tridecanone,
2-Tridecenal,
Triethyl Citrate,
3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol,
para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One,
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione,
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan,
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One,
2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone,
2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine,
1-Tyrosine,
delta-Undercalactone,
gamma-Undecalactone,
Undecanal,
2-Undecanone, 1
0-Undecenal,
Urea,
Valencene,
Valeraldehyde,
Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder,
Valeric Acid,
gamma-Valerolactone,
Valine,
Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin,
Vanillin,
Veratraldehyde,
Vetiver Oil,
Vinegar,
Violet Leaf Absolute,
Walnut Hull Extract,
Water,
Wheat Extract And Flour,
Wild Cherry Bark Extract,
Wine and Wine Sherry,
Xanthan Gum,
3,4-Xylenol,
Yeast
Sorry it's so long but there are a lot of different chemicals approved to be included in cigarettes.
http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/ingredients.htm Yes it's an anti site.

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Lots of environmental factors and genetic factors are involved.

All those chemicals;but,not much of any of them.
The FDA limit for arsenic in a "safe" 8oz chicken breast is about 120,000 nanograms of arsenic. There is about 32 naograms of arsenic in all the smoke from the average cigarette.

The allowable amount of arsenic in that "safe" chicken breast is equal to the arsenic in all of the smoke from 3,750 cigarettes.

The local ACS people say that waiters and waitresses are exposed to the amount of ETS equal to smoking 16 cigarettes per shift. They would have to work for about 47 weeks to be exposed to the amount arsenic allowed in that "safe" chicken breast.

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Originally posted by gkayser30:
All those chemicals;but,not much of any of them.
The FDA limit for arsenic in a "safe" 8oz chicken breast is about 120,000 nanograms of arsenic. There is about 32 naograms of arsenic in all the smoke from the average cigarette.

The allowable amount of arsenic in that "safe" chicken breast is equal to the arsenic in all of the smoke from 3,750 cigarettes.

The local ACS people say that waiters and waitresses are exposed to the amount of ETS equal to smoking 16 cigarettes per shift. They would have to work for about 47 weeks to be exposed to the amount arsenic allowed in that "safe" chicken breast.

The FDA allowable arsenic level in bottled drinking water(17oz) is equal to the amount of arsenic in all of the smoke from 8 packs of cigarettes. However; there is no safe level of exposure to cigarette smoke.

For these anti's, truth really isnt important. Im about to get rid of a computer customer of mine for their anti efforts. She is perhaps the biggest hypocrite ive ever met and im gonna tell u y... This person never used to have a problem with second hand smoke. It never used to effect her. Now, everytime shes around it, she gets sick. Oddly, whenever ive been in her home working on her or her family members computers, i can barely tolerate smoking a cigarette either. My upper chest feels sore and tight for about 3 days. There is a very good reason for this mind u. Know what it is? Well, she has 4 cats that have been pissing in her house for years and the stench of the amonia in it as well as the other stuff in it is overwhelming. I mean this has gone on for many many years. U cant even clean it out no matter what u try. Now, how can someone gripe about second hand smoke when what they breathe on a daily basis is what is causing her troubles and she cant see it? It is also far more harmful to u. Buildings can be torn down for that sort of stuff. And yes she has kids and theyve had to put up with it for years as well. But, nope, its the smokers. (rolls eyes)

Note to everyone:
Please try to stay on-topic. What we are looking for here is not a discussion on what deaths are the most painful, but what things are claimed to be responsible for deaths. The bigger the better.

gkayser30 threw out this one: "Smoking 440,000 deaths: CDC,ALA,ACS,and etc."

But I can beat that with:

"It also shows the importance of research on the best way to tell young people about the dangers of smoking, Banzhaf says. "Here we have a product that costs $138 billion a year in health care and kills up to 500,000 people a year, yet we don't know enough about how effective different warnings are," he says."
link

And verified (LOL) by Glantz:

From Dennis Prager interview, transcribed by speakeasy member Andrew

"Glantz
Well, smoking kills about 500,000 people"
link

Okay, so far we have:

Salt-150,000
Benzene-10,000
Car accidents-43,000
Adverse Drug Reactions, Medical error, Bedsores, Infection, Malnutrition, Outpatients, Unnecessary Procedures,Surgery-Related-999,936
Smoking-500,000

Total so far: 1,702,936

Gee, if we were to use my meat example we'd be at 3 million already. LOL

There's still alcohol, obesity, lack of exercise, sun-related deaths (someone claims 60,000 die a year from lack of sunlight) and then there's skin cancer deaths to add to that.

I think after the top 15 causes of death there's 400,000 deaths after that. We have a ways to go people. LOL

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/statistics/index.htm#12

Deaths Among People with Diabetes, United States, 2002

* Diabetes was the sixth leading cause of death listed on U.S. death certificates in 2002. This ranking is based on the 73,249 death certificates in which diabetes was listed as the underlying cause of death. According to death certificate reports, diabetes contributed to a total of 224,092 deaths.

* Diabetes is likely to be underreported as a cause of death. Studies have found that only about 35 to 40 percent of decedents with diabetes have diabetes listed anywhere on the death certificate and only about 10 to15 percent had it listed as the underlying cause of death.

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Originally posted by gkayser30:
All those chemicals;but,not much of any of them.
The FDA limit for arsenic in a "safe" 8oz chicken breast is about 120,000 nanograms of arsenic. There is about 32 naograms of arsenic in all the smoke from the average cigarette.

The allowable amount of arsenic in that "safe" chicken breast is equal to the arsenic in all of the smoke from 3,750 cigarettes.

The local ACS people say that waiters and waitresses are exposed to the amount of ETS equal to smoking 16 cigarettes per shift. They would have to work for about 47 weeks to be exposed to the amount arsenic allowed in that "safe" chicken breast.

And what about a very efficent delivery system, suck, lung, blood? And when you have other environmental exposure how does the chemicals in tobacco help? You see you are exposed to all the other sources of arsenic plus tobacco!