I hope you'll excuse the extreme title for this post, but if he is looking in and anything can gain his attention, I hope this will.

I just can't believe that this powerful voice could be here every day, checking in, and writing long, involved, thought provoking posts, then suddenly disappear for so long, with absolutely no interest.

So, I want to put out a beacon for him to at least call in, even if he says nothing at all. Just "I'm here. I'm okay." Whatever.

Alright, I toned down the title a bit. I think it will do.

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Hi Winston, I am alive and quite well (knock, knock, knock). I visit this and few other smoker sites almost daily. My day job became quite demanding (I am a CTO & chief scientist in a computer company and we are developing some new products) so I have temporarily restricted my online activity to brief visits to favorite forums without posting. This intense work phase will wind down in few months and I will have time again for discussions and research.

Since FORCES, although improved, has still not focused its efforts on the foundations -- the internal chains enslaving most smokers -- I may return with a web site whose sole objective is to help smokers break out of the antismoking "matrix" since in my view the tide will not start turning until the "medical" spell enslaving the minds of smokers is broken. Nothing but defeat can come out from attempts to organize people who would rather be on the other side. Of course, if in the meantime FORCES or someone else comes out with the web site centered exclusively on explaining to every smoker that "smoking is good for you," before any politicking or fund-raising, I will join and contribute there.

Hey, it worked!

Very glad to hear it and thanks for checking in.

I think we've all been wondering where you are and what you've been up to.

Glad to hear you're doing well and I'm sure we'll all be excited to see what you come up with.

(For my own self-interest, if you ever find the time, I'm eager to hear your thoughts on my "Evil" posts, whether good or bad. I'm eager for the learning experience.)

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someone else comes out with the web site centered exclusively on explaining to every smoker that "smoking is good for you,"

I will respectfully submit that a 'Smoking/Tobacco is Good For You' site does exist and here are a few excerpts from this site.

I cheerfully admit that this site needs a lot of work.
Gary K.


http://www.americansmokersparty-illinois.org/

TOBACCO IS GOOD FOR YOU

We "Smokers" have been spit-on, verbally abused, taxed to benefit everyone else, forced outside of bars and restaurants, turned into second class citizens, treated like we were the addicted scum of the Earth, and repeatedly told that smoking causes all sorts of deadly diseases and is killing us and everyone else!!!!!

Anti-smoking groups have been spreading lies and propaganda for decades. In fact most smokers, if asked, would say that they "KNOW" that smoking is bad for them and that they should quit.

TOBACCO SMOKE IS NOT A HEALTH RISK
Below are a few out of the thousands of pages of material available to prove that smoking "does not cause " heart disease, cancers, emphysema, asthma, and that smoking does protect against some really nasty diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases.

Another question that should be asked the antis and politicians:
You say that smoking is the leading cause of preventable Heart Disease deaths.

Of the 50 states plus Washington, D.C., D.C. and Minnesota have the same smoking rate.

The 'Heart Disease Death Rate' ranking for Washington, D.C. is 3rd, about the highest.

The 'Heart Disease Death Rate' ranking for Minnesota is 51st, the lowest.

Now; if smoking is the leading cause of preventable Heart Disease deaths,how can there be such a completely different 'Heart Disease Death Rate' ranking for two areas with the same percentage of smokers and SHS exposure??

Another question that should be asked the antis and politicians:
You say that smoking is the leading cause of preventable cancer deaths.

Of the 50 states plus Washington, D.C., D.C. and Minnesota have the same smoking rate.

The 'Cancer Death Rate' ranking for Wash DC is 1st, the highest.

The 'Cancer Death Rate' ranking for Minnesota is 39th or among the lowest.

Now; if smoking is the leading cause of preventable cancer deaths,how can there be such a completely different 'Cancer Death Rate' ranking for two areas with the same percentage of smokers and SHS exposure??

"Cigarette Smoking and Health Characteristics"

Surgeon General Report-May 1967 (Page 11)
Table D. Ratios of age-adjusted prevalence rates of chronic conditions for persons 17 years and over who have ever smoked to persons who have never smoked, by cigarette smoking status, number of cigarettes smoked per day for present smokers-heaviest amount, sex, and selected chronic conditions:

United States, July 1964 - June 1965 Sex and selected chronic conditions

Male Ratio - All chronic conditions
Number of cigarettes smoked per day for present smokers-heaviest amount

1-10 11-20 21-40 41+

Relative Risk
0.92 1.04 1.30 1.54

Female Ratio- All chronic conditions
Number of cigarettes smoked per day for present smokers-heaviest amount


1-10 11-20 21-40 41+

Relative Risk

0.88 1.05 1.39 2.00


Smokers have a 50% less risk of Alzheimer's and a 73% less risk for Parkinson's Disease.

HEART DISEASE

What about heart disease, then? It's on the cigarette packet in capital letters:
SMOKING CAUSES HEART DISEASE.

The most authoritative study on this is certainly the Framingham Heart Study, which is known as the Rolls Royce of studies.

When information about certain of the other 300 risk factors for heart disease were taken into account, the relationship between smoking and heart disease was lost.



LUNG CANCER

Finch GL, Nikula KJ, Belinsky SA, Barr EB, Stoner GD, Lechner JF, Failure of cigarette smoke to induce or promote lung cancer in the A/J mouse, Cancer Lett; 99(2):161-7 1996

No matter how much tobacco smoke they made poor animals inhale, even in equivalents of a carton or more per day (through surgically implanted breathing tubes), the more they smoked the fewer lung cancers they get. It just doesn't work and it even contradicts their "theory" so they just gave it up.

With humans, we can't force them to smoke, or even not to smoke, hence the next best thing, closest to hard science, are randomized intervention trials -- you take a group of smokers, assign half of them randomly into a 'quit group' (strongly advised not to smoke), and a 'control group' (left alone, to smoke as they wish), then follow them up for some years or decades, observe the smoking rates (which are normally lower in 'quit group') and check for lung cancers or other diseases.

That was done, of course, but only a handful of times in the early years of antismoking "science". As with animal experiments, the results of these few randomized intervention trials,whenever they showed anything at all, also went the "wrong way" -- the 'quit group' ends up with more lung cancers than the 'control group' (and generally higher death rates).

Professor Burch, in a letter to the British Medical Journal (March 1985) pointed out that in these two studies:

In the low smoking intervention groups 56 cases of lung cancer were recorded in a total starting population of 7,142 men (0.78%); the corresponding number for the more heavily smoking normal care groups being 53 in 7,169 (0.74%).

Findings for cancer other than those of the lung were even more surprising.

Some 88 cases (1.23%) were recorded in the low smoking intervention groups, but only 60 cases (0.84%) in the normal care groups. Thus in the category 'all cancers' there were 144 cases (2.02%) in the intervention groups but 113 cases (1.58%) in the more heavily smoking normal care groups.

Reduced levels of smoking were associated with increases in cancer incidence.

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Originally posted by gkayser30:

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someone else comes out with the web site centered exclusively on explaining to every smoker that "smoking is good for you,"

I will respectfully submit that a 'Smoking/Tobacco is Good For You' site does exist and here are a few excerpts from this site.

I cheerfully admit that this site needs a lot of work.
Gary K.

http://www.americansmokersparty-illinois.org/

Very nice job with making the basic point (and quite a pleasant background color, too). Note that, when explaining the motivation of the Big Pharma (or larger Sickness Industry) in the beginning, a reader may get impression it is only about nicotine replacement. Yet, if you read the rest of the page, the rise in asthma, allergies, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, depression, ... and other diseases for which tobacco was traditionally recognized as protective or therapeutic, it becomes clear that the the nicotine replacement is a small change compared to the extra profits for the Big Pharma from the excess of all other diseases (e.g. decades of expensive drugs for Parkinson's patients) due to their investment in antismoking "science" and tobacco scare. Tobacco is an ancient medicinal plant, a medicinal miracle and arguably the most potent single medicinal substance, natural or synthetic, that humans have ever stumbled upon, hence the Sickness Industry benefits in many ways by suppressing it.

Anyway, keep on the good work, I'll be coming back to help and contribute as soon as I can. The key is to develop strategies to let the smokers know these facts. Smoking, after awakening to the truth is far more enjoyable and beneficial. As soon as the 50-60 million American smokers experience the difference, the antismoking scam will end overnight. I hope FORCES, with the scientific talent, knowledge and network they already have, will realize this soon and focus where it counts the most -- get the word out to every smoker as quickly as possible. Ignore everything else until that goal is achieved, since the rest will fall in the right place after that, all by itself, like a fertilized egg cell unfolding into a baby.

Gary, I just wanted to say how much I like your website. I think I secured your permission at one point to go ahead and use what I need, but please let me know if there are any changes in your policy.

The thing about your site, is that one can use it. Everything you need is all right there, together with all the references supporting every word you say.

I noticed too you provided contact information for all your state legislators. I know how much work went into just this alone, I can assure you, especially when I consider that your state is much larger than mine.

I take my hat off to you, sir. The sound of the sizzle is nice coming from the kitchen, but it's the steak served up -- ever so perfectly cooked -- that's the real deal.

(Just a little advice to myself there, I guess. Not that I sizzle either . Okay, I'm useless . There I've said it. Or at least compared to you it seems the case.)

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I think I secured your permission at one point to go ahead and use what I need, but please let me know if there are any changes in your policy.

Anyone should feel FREE to use anything and everything from the ASP-ILL site that they wish to use!!!

No changes in 'Policy'; what do you think that I am, a 'Politician'?

Gary K.

Wow,
What an excellent single source for rapid responses to the lunacy spouted from TC.
Eccellent questions to be asked, and informative (legitimate) sources cited.
Nicely done.

Veliki pozdrav bivšem zemljaku!


I kod nas su počeli da se prave pametni, ali neće im proći.

It's Croatian.

See.

Told ya so.

Almost there! However, Croatian is never written in cyrillics.

It's Serbian, but it's the same thing really.
When he left the country was called Yugoslavia and the language was called Serbocroatian.

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