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Antis are always claiming that "There is no safe level of exposure to second-hand smoke."

Surgeon General’s Report
Introduction, Summary, and Conclusions page 11
Major Conclusions

4. The scientific evidence INDICATES that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

Note that the report does not say evidence PROVES that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke,the report says the evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer proof.

Sooo, there maybe is, there could possibly be, there might be, we kind of think that, but there is NO CONCLUSIVE PROOF that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

The 2006 SG's Report PROVES that there is no conclusive proof that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke!!

If such conclusive proof did exist, I am certain that they would have shown it!!!! Big Grin

Gary K.
 
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People can choose not to go into a business where smoking is permitted. If you are sick, you have no choice but to go to a hospital!

The scientific evidence PROVES that there is no risk-free level of exposure to the Health Care System.
Gary K.


Total hospital caused death toll is from 140,000 to 200,000 and more than 1,500,000 injured!!

This article does not mention the fact that there are 3 times as many nursing homes as there are hospitals.
Nursing homes are notorious for their very low health care results.

VA hospitals are no better.

The total death toll caused by the health care industry is probably over 750,000 per year!!
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004...-death-part-one.aspx

That is 12 times the claimed death toll caused by SHS and about 2 times the death toll claimed for smokers!!!!

The health care system is the leading cause of preventable deaths in this country.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/25/hospital-risk-pneumoni...825riskhospital.html

Scariest Hospital Risks
According to The Institute of Medicine, a non-profit organization chartered by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, at least 1.5 million Americans fall prey to hospital error every year.

The mistakes aren't exactly minor, either. Between 40,000 and 100,000 people die every year because of shoddy handiwork, including surgical mishaps and drug mix-ups.

One big problem: Hospital patients may get the wrong drug one time out of five, according to a study by Auburn University.

Another 100,000 people die because of infections from hospital-bred bacteria that are resistant to one or more of the antibiotics doctors use to kill them off, according to the Center for Disease Control. Some of those might be prevented by more hand washing or other precautions.
 
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that no sfae level shit is the widest door to swing thru anyone ever made.........and it can close on the antis just as quick as they thru their bullshit studies up.........when the political winds shift again get ready.......these bans will disapear as fast as they came in.......any law based upon fraud isnt going to last and the fraud is what they will use to save their own worthless asses when politics says its time for smokign to come back. 1919-1933 diferent dates same bullshit prohibition.........
 
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Antis claim that our smoking is killing us because of all of the chemicals in cigarette smoke and most smokers seem to feel the same way.

Much has been said about a nonsmoker's exposure to the toxins and poisons in SHS; but, have you ever wandered about how much you as a smoker are exposed to those toxins and poisons in cigarette smoke?

OSHA has established a permissible exposure limit (PEL), for airborne chemicals in various
workplaces.

This is the PEL (permissible exposure limit), below which the chemical is considered safe.


Arsenic = 10 ug per cubic meter

The average cigarette has 32ng of arsenic in all of it's smoke (mainstream and side stream).

10 ug per cubic meter is all of the smoke from 312.5 cigarettes per cubic meter ,on average,continuously for an 8 hour work shift .

The numbers about the amount of the chemicals in cigarette smoke come from 'The Massachusetts Benchmark Study, Final Report 07/24/00' as referenced on pages 64-65 of Michael McFadden's book "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" and by him here: http://www.antibrains.com/shs.html

See bottom of article.

For instance using Cyanide and Formaldehyde:

Chemical.....PEL/TLV..amount in cigarette smoke
Cyanide......5,000 mcg/m3..... 716 mcg
Formaldehyde.. 940 mcg/m3..... 856 mcg


http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/scoth/PDFS/nfdpm.pdf

Carbon Monoxide(CO) Yield- mg/cigarette

The range is from 1 mg/cig to 12 mg/cigarette.
I will use the average yield of 10 mg/cigarette.

OSHA PEL for Carbon Monoxide is 55 mg/m3.
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show

As is shown, OSHA PELS would allow the smoke(SHS/MS) from:
Arsenic=312.5 cigarettes/m3
Cyanide=7 cigarettes/m3
CO=5.5 cigarettes/m3
Formaldehyde=1.1 cigarettes/m3

The Calif-EPA says that a sitting person breathes about 7.5 liters of air per minute.
(California Environmental Protection Agency)
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/resnotes/notes/94-11.htm

15 breaths x .5 liter/breath=7.5 liters per minute.

I have experimented and it takes about 5 minutes for me to smoke the average cigarette and I take 2 puffs per minute.

Of my 15 breaths per minute, two would be inhalations of mainstream smoke(say, 1 liter per puff) and 13 would be SHS of .5 liter per breath.

That is 8.5 liters per minute or 42.5 liters for the 5 minutes per cigarette.

If we take a sealed cube 1 meter on a side(1m3) and have all of the smoke and air staying in that cube, we can approximate the OSHA PELS and my consumption.

1 m3 = 1,000 liters.

1,000 liters divided by my 42.5 liters per cigarette means I inhale only 1/23rd of the available smoke and chemicals.

Even for Formaldehyde(PEL=1 cigarette's worth), I am inhaling only 1/23rd of the PEL. Roll Eyes

Considering that the real world does not have me breathing in a sealed cube and that there is a continuous air exchange with fresh outside air, my actual exposure is way lower.

This is not hard science; but, this is indicative of the rather,very, small amounts of the chemicals in cigarette smoke to which we are exposed!!
Gary K.
 
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Thank you for the information, break down, and experiment. That is very interesting information. Amazing what the truth is.
 
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