Antis want smokers denied hospital admission and medical services.

OK,let them die from nosocomial infections and surgery deaths and soon we won't be
bothered by their nonsense and hysteria.

Note: These 120,000 deaths are more than twice the number of deaths that are claimed to be caused by SHS.

People do not have to go into or work in smoking allowed places.Your choice.

If you have an accident or become ill,a hospital is where you have to go. There is no other choice!

Gary K.

http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/24/healthcare_death.htm
Nosocomial Infections

The rate of nosocomial [originating or taking place in a hospital] infections per 1,000 patient days has increased 36 percent--from 7.2
in 1975 to 9.8 in 1995.

Reports from more than 270 U.S. hospitals showed that the nosocomial
infection rate itself had remained stable over the previous 20 years
with approximately five to six hospital-acquired infections occurring
per 100 admissions, which is a rate of 5 percent to 6 percent.

It is estimated that in 1995, nosocomial infections contributed
to 'MORE THAN 88,000 deaths--ONE DEATH EVERY SIX MINUTES'.

The 2003 incidence of nosocomial mortality is quite probably higher
than in 1995 because of the tremendous increase in antibiotic-
resistant organisms.

http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/21/healthcare_death.htm

Surgical Errors Finally Reported

An October 8, 2003 JAMA study from the U.S. government's Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) documented 32,000 mostly surgery-related deaths costing $9 billion and accounting for 2.4 million extra days in the hospital in 2000.85

In a press release accompanying the JAMA study, the AHRQ director, Carolyn M. Clancy, M.D., admitted:

"This study gives us the first direct evidence that medical injuries pose a real threat to the American public and increase the costs of health care."

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Originally posted by gkayser30:
Carolyn M. Clancy, M.D., admitted:

"This study gives us the first direct evidence that medical injuries pose a real threat to the American public and increase the costs of health care."

HELLO!!!!1?????!!! And why isn't this statistic on the front page of every newspaper? When is congress going to investigate this issue? I know - it's probably never going to happen....
Thanks,

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HELLO!!!!1?????!!! And why isn't this statistic on the front page of every newspaper? When is congress going to investigate this issue? I know - it's probably never going to happen....
Thanks,

varla_pussycat

Well actually:
On July 23, 2002, The Chicago Tribune analyzed records from patient databases, court cases, 5,810 hospitals, as well as 75 federal and state agencies and found 103,000 cases of death due to hospital infections.

The 88,000 deaths was from 33million patients; 2005 patients are 37 million.

The 103,000 deaths is rather accurate.

No follow up of course,just a one time shot.

One could add to the above numbers the deaths from adverse drug reactions in hospitals.

Adverse Drug Reactions

The Lazarou study 1 was based on statistical analysis of 33 million U.S. hospital admissions in 1994. Hospital records for prescribed medications were analyzed with the following results:

The number of serious injuries due to prescribed drugs was 2.2 million
2.1 percent of in-patients experienced a serious adverse drug reaction
4.7 percent of all hospital admissions were due to a serious adverse drug reaction
Fatal adverse drug reactions occurred in 0.19 percent of in-patients and 0.13 percent of admissions.
The authors concluded that a projected 106,000 deaths occur annually due to adverse drug reactions.

Since there are 37 million patients these days, this ADR death number might be 118,400 deaths per year.

Total deaths from surgery errors, hospital caused infections,and hospital caused adverse drug reaction=253,400 deaths!!

Antis claim that smoking causes 136,000 lung cancer deaths per year.

There are about 50
million smokers compared to 37 million hospital patients.

Sending more antis to the hospitals and not letting smokers have medical treatment works for me.

Note:Researchers estimate that perhaps only 20% or less of the events are reported.

Gary K.

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Originally posted by gkayser30:
Well actually:
On July 23, 2002, The Chicago Tribune analyzed records from patient databases, court cases, 5,810 hospitals, as well as 75 federal and state agencies and found [b]103,000 cases of death due to hospital infections.

Gary K.

Thanks Gary! Being here in the Boston area, I don't have that much of an opportunity to read the Chicago papers that often ! (I DO have a number of friends from Chicago but that doesn't really count)....thanks again!

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'Hospital caused infections kill almost twice as many people as SHS' did not make much of a splash in the national media.

No wonder you missed it.
Gary K.

Hmm....Interesting stats on hospital blunders. My father had 2 cancer surgeries a year apart. The procedures left him so weak that he would collapse into unconsciousness for a few seconds. He was checked for this several times. Nobody could find the cause of his blackouts. He died as a result after collapsing over a burning stove. As for SHS deaths, I still believe the true figure is ZERO.

Pat,

This is a secondhand story, but a family member told me that he knew of a carpenter who went to the hospital for simple outpatient surgery for a carpal tunnel problem he'd developed in his back and shoulder from holding up dry board, panels, wood, etc. and drilling and/or hammering them.

His wife showed up at the scheduled time to pick him up, just hours after she'd dropped him off, only to find out that he was dead.

One of his arteries had been nicked during the surgery and he very quietly passed out and died while sitting and waiting for his wife to come and pick him up.

Om a similar note, a friend of mine named Mark G.'s brother Harv went in for an outpatient procedure to work on the arteries in his legs, due to poor circulation. During the operation, at some point, they twisted a bowel, when they were finishing him up.

He died two days later, in the intensive care ward.

The doctor told Mark his brothers death was smoking related. NO KIDDING!!!!!!!!


This was very recent and I didn't want to ask Mark to publish his brother's story on Forces, or anywhere else yet, as he is having a very hard time with it. But, I am going to have his story put out there. It needs to be heard.



Someone needs to be held accountable in most of these cases. I have a feeling a lot of hospital related deaths are being catergorized as smoking related, or swept under the rug in some other fashion.

MADNESS.

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I have a feeling a lot of hospital related deaths are being catergorized as smoking related, or swept under the rug in some other fashion.

Under the rug.
Gary K.

Under-reporting of Iatrogenic Events
http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/7/healthcare_death.htm
As few as 5 percent and only up to 20 percent of iatrogenic acts are ever reported.This implies that if medical errors were completely and accurately reported, we would have a much higher annual iatrogenic death rate than 783,936.

Hospital errors no longer public

Serious mistakes made by individual hospitals in Spokane and across Washington will no longer be reported to the public following a review of a 2006 law requested by the state hospital association.

Hospital-specific errors such as surgery performed on the wrong body part, items left behind after an operation or the development of life-threatening pressure sores were wrongly disclosed for more than a year, state health department officials said this week.

Information contained in the reports should only have been released in the aggregate and for geographies large enough to prevent identification of the hospitals where the mistakes occurred, said Byron Plan, executive manager of the Office of Health Care Survey.

Last month, Washington State Hospital Association officials asked the health department to stop providing individual hospital reports on 28 serious, preventable mistakes identified by the National Quality Forum, a patient advocacy group. As of Sept. 6, the department agreed, Plan said.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=12001

That article is truly scary Jem. I think the state of Washington needs to continue to make sure these kind of things are disclosed!

I think we should find out this Byron Plan's e-mail address and object!

FSLHHHACS@doh.wa.gov

This is the e-mail address that is shown on the Office of Health Care Survey website. I sent an e-mail with a link to the Spokesman Review article and asked for more transparency.

MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madness? This is SPARTAAAAAA!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Naw, in Sparta they wouldn't put up with shit like this.

They'd do something about it. And, the business end of a Xiphos is what they'd use to remedy said problem.